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I was having a conversation with a coworker about the relationship between boardgames and videogames. His only knowledge of board games extends only to Monopoly, Risk, etc. He questioned why board games still exist since video games were obviously better and technically obsolete them. While computers can show a lot of pretty pictures and compute a lot of information, there are some qualities of board games that still outshine.

With that in mind, I tried to come up with this comparative list:

Innovation:
BG - Most modern board games are striving to stand out amongst the crowd. You'll rarely find clones, and innovation is what keeps the business lively.
VG - Because video games are a big business, their ultimate goal is to make money. There are certain "types" of games that sell very well, so little innovation is neccessary.

Multiplayer:
BG - Board games can support large crowds in one social gathering.
VG - Video games usually top out at 2 players (locally) and even then the genres are limited to racing, fighting, and co-op among others.

Interaction:
BG - 99% of board games require face to face human interaction.
VG - Many video games have virtual interaction with others over a network.

Time Frame:
BG - You usually know how long a board game will last and they have a definitive end.
VG - You could literally play through the whole night and have to set personal "end times."

Family Oriented:
BG - Have you ever played a board game with your grandma?
VG - Have you ever played a video game with your grandma?

Please share your own thoughts.

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I am very serious about old school 2D shooters, playing for highscores. The purpose of 2 player simultaneous in space shooters can only be for fun, because it always is chaos, you can*t play your full skill when someone else is on the screen. When we played videogame hockey or racing we wanted to have a good time. Playing alone can be serious, with 2 people it can*t be. To me.
Board games are the opposite. Playing vs each other is always serious.
Everyone thinks alot before he makes his move. That*s greater than to have a short race vs each other.
Least of boardgames are played solitaire but you get what I mean.

The new generations of multiplayer games however can provide you something that old videogames could not - you can meet players all around the world, it is very "real" to me as the participating people are real, no CPU controlled opponents, thats something great, it*s like playing football on the backyard may be interesting, but playing something vs. People internationally gives you a feeling like you are a bit like a world cup famous champion as people say "hi" to you that you never met in person but they know your name, skill and stuff, hence I consider Multiplayer Online Gaming more a way of modern sport rather than a videogame (I*m the generation of PacMan and Mario Bros ;)) and don*t compare these games now vs the Boardgames.
I compare classic videogames to Boardgames, the 8 and 16 Bit stuff.

I can*t say videogames make the board games obsolete.
Videogames are sorta action, board games are cultural way of spending time with other people. The reason why I became a total videogame addict back in my youth was probably because I could play these games alone, but whenever my family gathered for boardgames I participated.

If more people would consider multiplayer online gaming a sport - like I do - no one would say real sport is obsolete because of that and put the tennis rackets in the cellar. They are both different shoes.
Same goes to board games and classic videogames.
Just because some people think boardgames are limited to family stuff like throwing a dice and hoping the right number will appear doesn*t mean videogames ARE superior. That*s like you have seen PacMan and say videogames are not looking any realistic just because you didn*t try Doom3.
A complex boardgame can be much more chalenging tahn any videogame if you pick the right one, it*s something you sit over, not just look at on a screen.
My personal theory btw is most kids today prefer videogames anyway even if they had the opportunity to play boardgames with someone else because the state of education especially in the media sinks lower and lower - check those animated cartoons now and those from 20 years ago, or lecture - its all going down, so todays kids don*t even have the patience or concentration ability anymore to sit down and play a boardgame, it*s all about hectic and pushin buttons.

Thats why boardgames sell for nothing on Ebay and Videogames sell high.
Despite I used to be a hardcore videogame player I must say it is very sad boardgames are underestimated nowadays. If you take a simple game like Gameboy Pokemon, imagine how more complex, strategic and great this could be in a boardgame when you don*t have 2 attacks but 20, and when you learn a new ability you don*t "forget" the other previous just because theres* not enough space on the rom cart (lol).
Boardgames are not a direct coutnerpart of videogames, so videogames can*t replace them imo.

And the best at a Boardgame will always be - when you take it out of the box it doesn*t say "I don*t run under WinXP." :P

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I know that there is surely a lot of thread on this forum that compares VG and BG, but I'll still rewrite a few things to try convince your coworker.

- I can change the rules of the games or how it is played.

- It does not consume 50 hours of my time.

- I can play anywhere, even in the middle of the jungle.

- Only 1 copy of the game can be used to a whole group of players. (yes I know, Piracy can solve this issue )

- Don't need a machine to play the game. Only my eyes and my hands.

- The game always work, no hardware conflict.

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You are in a storm and the power goes out. Boardgame
A dusty boardgame will always work. Boardgame
I can play the computer. Videogame
Eye-to-eye play. Boardgame
Game platforms change every couple of years (NES), I still got boardgames from my childhood. Boardgame

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The comparison does not make any sense in my opinion.
The goals might be similar (fun) but they reach it on a totally different way.

I played online games a lot (Quake, UT, UT2003, UT2004, CS, mostly
FPSs). These are very action oriented games, but good friendships can be formed while playing. You can find out each player's attitude, personality.
You can enjoy to be the part of a clan, or community. But.... WE are HUMANS. When I see phrases of chatting from the other players (those mirrors their behavior, personality) are just NOT enough.

If I want to play "casually", then I don't care that which server I log in. The people around will be totally unknown, and the whole experience is not any more than playing against very clever and intelligent BOTS (computer AI controlled enemies, recently they are a must for all FPSs). When I want to have social life I log in to servers of friends, but it only means I'll play with people I like (but many times we chat a lot only, between to frags...)

BUT! At the end all of these communities GATHER somewhere. There are cons and contests and LAN-parties all around the world where these people can meet and talk LIVE. What we: humans DO NEED. It is social life and a video game will NEVER really give it to you. Maybe, if hardwares will be that advanced that everybody can play on a big gigantic display with own controllers in hand, but that won't be the same since everybody will be watching THE DISPLAY, and not the face of the other player. (and if 4-6 people gather to play a video game with that new superhardware then it will be very similar to boardgaming...)

So, I think it is useless to compare the two, the two give fun differently.

I think when hardware gets cheaper (even cheaper than nowadays) then
maybe the boardgames will be that advanced (with electronics and sensors) that they might force you to keep rules (while allowing on an interface to change them). But that will be still boardgaming only on a more comfortable way. ;)

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I'm not convinced by your comparative list. The major differences you cite aren't actually as different as they appear.

Innovation: There really isn't that much innovation in the board-games arena you know. Once you break it down, you get a bunch of mechanisms that are fitted together, sometimes more successfully than others. And there's more innovation in the video-games field than you seem willing to credit. If you want to say that, for instance, EA have just produced yet another Tiger Woods Golf game rather than anything groundbreaking, then the fair comparison is with Hasbro bringing out yet another themed version of Monopoly, not with, say, Shear Panic... There are plenty of small producers having fun with video games too, and probably spending just as little money!

Multiplayer: 18 months ago, I would have agreed with you. There were multiplayer video games, but they were very geeky environments. Now you have MMORGs to suit every taste, combined with a surprising array of party games for consoles.

Interaction: I don't dispute that boardgames do benefit from being played in that ftf context. But so does Donkey Konga. Meanwhile, I can also go off and play Ticket to Ride online with a bunch of friends who I have never met ftf and still have it feel like a social encounter.

Now, I hope for the day when both types of games are considered for playing at the same event, but frankly I'm not holding my breath.

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Scurra wrote:
I'm not convinced by your comparative list. The major differences you cite aren't actually as different as they appear.

My whole point was to show that board games are not obsolete. I didn't mean to say that either group was better or worse than the other. Each has its own place.

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And if it was meant for me, I still stick to my opinion as a constant cideo game player that video games do not give that social feeling as
being together around the board.
;)

Even if it is the best MMORPG of the world I only stare at a squary model dancing on my screen...

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There is a sizable computer illit. population out there that aren't crazy about getting online for multi-player gaming. Also, alot of people sit in front of a computer all day at work. They want to socialize with thier friends over drinks. They want eye and face contact. So, I see board games offering something computer/video games never will (focus on each other rather then a screen). I'm a good example of this. Don't have time for long video style games, but need an ice breaker to sit around a table and talk to friends, and esp. at holiday time...something to fill in the space and not seem rude.

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gpetersz wrote:
I still stick to my opinion as a constant video game player that video games do not give that social feeling as being together around the board. ;)

I guess you've never played Donkey Konga or one of the Sony Eye Toy games in a mixed group then? The video game companies are gradually learning what the boardgamers have known for years, that an interesting hook makes for a better party. Now all we have to do is to persuade everyone else that they want to come to this better party ;-)

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Scurra wrote:
gpetersz wrote:
I still stick to my opinion as a constant video game player that video games do not give that social feeling as being together around the board. ;)

I guess you've never played Donkey Konga or one of the Sony Eye Toy games in a mixed group then? The video game companies are gradually learning what the boardgamers have known for years, that an interesting hook makes for a better party. Now all we have to do is to persuade everyone else that they want to come to this better party ;-)

Well, you might be right. I played Donkey Kong but I guess this "Konga" is something different, and I absolutely haven't played any Sony Eye Toy...
I use PC for gaming. I played it against AI, in LAN and on the Net.
I've been googling and found the eyetoy.com site... Err...
I remain sceptic until I do try it, but I won't argue over it. Why I remained sceptic is that it is ONLY an USB camera... Do I sit there and watch into the camera and the screen... It doesn't seem too social :))).

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Mario Party would be another kind of social group video game.

You move your pawn like a board game on the screen and at the end of each turn, you play a minigame which oppose players against each other : 2vs2, 3vs1, 1vs3, 4 competitive, 4 cooperative. The goal is to earn money to buy stars located on the board.

Pretty fun to play.

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