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Johan
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I believe in rules. You are safe (and sometimes this is boring) if you are within the rules. If you break the rules then you know the consequences.

This weekend one new member was removed from this forum and all his posts was also deleted. I definitely agree on that decision (I did find him both rude and aggressive and in my opinion he stepped over the line) but I want to know on what grounds his account was deleted.

I know that this is a private forum (the owner decides the rules), but there are over 150 active members (members that has 20+ posts).
I have tried to find any information about the forum, but have not find any

- What are the basic rules of this forum? (The thing with this is that the owner of the forum is the one that is responsible for everything on the forum, therefore his decisions are final).
- If we violate the rules, do we get a warning first?

// Johan

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Johan,

Your question and concern and entirely legitimate. In regard to the member whose account was deleted, I will only say at this time that this occured for reasons related to things that went on behind the scenes. I will let the other admins decide whether we want to provide a more complete accounting of what went on, and whether that would occur in a public forum post or in a private "anyone whose interested can ask us" basis.

In regards to the protocols for such actions, in general, we only delete users immediately for posters who are obviously not here to talk about board game design, and instead want to use this site as if it were a chat room, who want to sell something (ie, they create an account just to post an advertisement for their product), or who want to talk about something way off topic (like videogames).

Occasionally, the admins decide that a thread has run its course or gotten too emotional, and they suspend discussion on that topic. Continuing the discussion on the topic after this has happened is an example of the kind of thing that would get one ousted. However, two caveats to this are that (a) we don't yet have a good "appeals process" in place for this kind of situation (if, for example, someone wanted to dispute that it was necessary to cease discussion on a given topic), and second, the consequences that one would incur would in general be commensurate with the seriousness of the offense. In general, I think that we give ample opportunity to correct the behavior before someone would be finally deleted.

It's rare that we get a member whose conduct warrants immediate expulsion, but here are some things for which one could expect to be kicked out with no further warning:

-- Racial, ethnic, gender, or religious slurs

-- Threatening violence against another member

-- Slander of a site member

I'm sure there are others, but I think the bottom line is this. One would not be in danger of being ousted if one simply sticks to talking about board and card design, demonstrates courtesy towards other members, and respects the authority of the admins. Note that this last doesn't mean that you have to agree with every decision we make. But rather, just that you keep in mind that we're trying to manage a large, diverse, international community and making the best decisions that we can, so we ask that you all try to give us the benefit of the doubt. Of course, you're free to question us if you honestly disagree with the fairness of one of our decisions.

Thanks for your question; I hope I've answered it, although I know I haven't given the formal set of rules that you're looking for. Perhaps the other admins will chime in if there's anything they want to add.

-Jeff

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Johan wrote:
I believe in rules. You are safe (and sometimes this is boring) if you are within the rules. If you break the rules then you know the consequences.

This weekend one new member was removed from this forum and all his posts was also deleted. I definitely agree on that decision (I did find him both rude and aggressive and in my opinion he stepped over the line) but I want to know on what grounds his account was deleted.

I know that this is a private forum (the owner decides the rules), but there are over 150 active members (members that has 20+ posts).
I have tried to find any information about the forum, but have not find any

- What are the basic rules of this forum? (The thing with this is that the owner of the forum is the one that is responsible for everything on the forum, therefore his decisions are final).
- If we violate the rules, do we get a warning first?

// Johan

Johan,

Excellent question. I agree with what Jeff has already said, but let me add a tad more. Please forgive me for not laying out such rules beforehand, but up until now, fortunately, we've never really had a need for them. Most of the problems we've ever had have either died off after locking an emotional thread or simply by deleting spam posts. So rest assured this really is new ground for us.

As Jeff stated, we don't really want to publicly reveal the reasons behind the account deletion. However, if you feel you need to know, private message me and I will let you know. You are a highly regarded contributor here, and I feel you deserve an explanation if you truely need to know to set your mind at ease about how the community is run and how it will continue to be run.

Please note too, that in the near future we will be implementing a rules of conduct document for the community. It unfortunately has come to this. I guess after almost three years of being online, it had to happen sometime. I guess we've been really lucky thus far.

I hope this eases your mind somewhat.
-Michael

Johan
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Hi

Thanks for the answer. That gives me all the answers I wanted as:
- Some basic forum rules are on its way.
- The member was not removed only for the tone in the debate.
- There was more then one administrator that took the decision.

For me the case is closed.

// Johan

Anonymous
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I utterly missed this whole event, but I'll toss in my controversial opinion here--I don't think the forum really needs rules. If somebody did something horrible and the admins tossed them out for it, it sounds like we've got everything under control. At this point the only problem is the fear normal users would have that they'd get banned at random, and all that will take is a very simple policy by the admins where they say "Don't worry, we won't jackboot you unless you actually deserve it."

In my opinion the only rule many forums need is "Don't be a dillhole." The whole "On topic/Racial Slurs/threats of violence" thing is pretty well understood. A better policy is to warn people if they do something wrong, since that way there isn't the whole "Well we can't ban him for impersonating another user because it isn't specifically against the rules" thing...and if you ban in such cases anyway, well, you're jackbooting arbitrarily and the rules are meaningless.

I figure you only need written rules if you have specific requirements that are unusual (i.e. "Never ask about the Plaid Lemur of Lament or you'll get banned!")

The best forums I've been in have had the most vague and draconian rules--rules like "Don't piss off the admins" that would be a nightmare in the real world but are perfect in the forcibly-consentual environment of the internet. You can't really abuse your power if you can't force or even coerce someone into visiting your site.

Just my perspective.

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