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Thu, 09/23/2004 - 08:03
rkalajian
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Just got a half inch punch in the mail about a week ago and it makes great sized stickers for the protoparts dice. Only thing is that they are slightly smaller than the face of the die. I'm thinking that 3/4" lables might actually work.

I'm gonna try picking up some avery 3/4" lables and see if they work. I know we had talked about this before and come to the conclusion that the 3/4" probably wouldn't fit, but after seeing how my cut 1/2" lables worked out, I think the avery lables might just work.

I'm rambling now.....blarg

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Thu, 09/23/2004 - 09:26
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Re: Protoparts Dice

rkalajian wrote:

I'm gonna try picking up some avery 3/4" lables and see if they work. I know we had talked about this before and come to the conclusion that the 3/4" probably wouldn't fit, but after seeing how my cut 1/2" lables worked out, I think the avery lables might just work.

I'm rambling now.....blarg

Are you sure? Have you held a ruler up to the dice? I think 3/4" is actually larger than the size of the dice. Did you double check it?

-Darke

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Thu, 09/23/2004 - 09:29
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I did, and it would seem that 3/4" would be slightly too large, but after seeing how the 1/2" fits i'm curious to try the 3/4" now.

Either that or i'll be stuck with a label too large or too small :)

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Thu, 09/30/2004 - 09:59
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Damn, 3/4" WAS a little too big...but only a little. Looks like i'll be sticking to the 1/2" ones.

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Thu, 09/30/2004 - 13:31
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It's all about 5/8", baby! :)

-- Matthew

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Thu, 09/30/2004 - 13:31
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rkalajian
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Time to look for a craft punch in that size :)

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Thu, 09/30/2004 - 14:41
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Who manufacturers a 5/8" square hole punch.

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Thu, 09/30/2004 - 15:17
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For the protoparts dice you need a round punch, and I don't know who manufactures one because I haven't started looking :)

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Thu, 09/30/2004 - 16:04
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Scrapbook stores carry lots of different sizes and shapes of punches. Couldn't hurt to look.

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Fri, 10/01/2004 - 16:31
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We got a picture of my prototype dice up at tremorworks

http://tremorworks.com/games.shtml

Those lables where printed on a full sheet label and punched with a 1/2" craft punch

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Fri, 10/01/2004 - 17:01
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rkalajian wrote:
We got a picture of my prototype dice up at tremorworks

http://tremorworks.com/games.shtml

Those lables where printed on a full sheet label and punched with a 1/2" craft punch

Looks good! How labor intensive was it? I may want to use that method later if I ever decide to go through with Self Publishing On Demand.

-Darke

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Fri, 10/01/2004 - 18:24
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It takes a while to punch and apply the lables, but not THAT much time. I think it may have taken me about 2 hours to make 5 sets and I'm sure I can cut that time down since i've gotten the hang if it now.

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Fri, 10/01/2004 - 19:33
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They do look great! Well done!

-- Matthew

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Fri, 10/01/2004 - 20:54
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They do look excellent! I'll probably use that method for a game I'm working on now. I only have 1 die per game to make so it shouldn't take long at all.

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Sat, 10/02/2004 - 07:33
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Thanks for the great comments. I've been thinking I might sell the dice like this at first since the costs to have the dice made are very high unless I go with about 10,000 sets (Which I know I probably can't push out the door).

The rules are almost set and I will probably playtest them for a few more weeks. After that you might see a few sets popping up for sale on the Tremorworks site :)

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Mon, 10/04/2004 - 12:59
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For anyone interested i managed to dig up a 5/8" hole punch. You can find it here. It is an ebay store and the item costs about $7 with shipping. Note that this is not your typical one-hole punch which looks like a pair of pliars, and not being at all familiar with scrapbook production i have no idea how it operates...

Anyway, just so you know.

Thomas

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Mon, 10/04/2004 - 13:15
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Well thank god my gf is a scrapbooker so I might be able to shed a little light on the subject.

First off the standard scrapbook name is a "punch", it contains an open slot on one side of it. You place the paper (sticker, etc) into the slot and then push down on the circle image. It will then punch the circle out of the paper. The big issue might be alignment since you will not be able to clearly align the area being punched out, so some practice will be involved.

I think there are a few other options from the scrapbook world that might help in this case, I will check into it to see what I can find out.

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Mon, 10/04/2004 - 13:23
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Alignment issues might be solved by finding the dimensions of the punch and then including a graphical "guide" (probably a grid of some sort) to help you line it up...

Thomas

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Mon, 10/04/2004 - 13:35
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For the element dice I have a circle around the image. I just use the punch upside down so I can see the image in the hole and then *pop*

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Tue, 10/12/2004 - 19:41
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Kind of an old thread, but I was just at a scrapbook store. In there catalogs from which they order their hole punches they had 1/2", 5/8", 3/4", 1" and bigger and smaller. So with your 5/8" (it was 5/8" right?)protparts dice you could get a pretty exact fit.

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Tue, 10/12/2004 - 20:32
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The punch sounds like an OK idea, but do you have to print near the edge of the page? I guess you could fold or cut the page to get to the part you want to cut out.

It sounds easier (and definitely cheaper) than the Sizzix die cutter with circle template... what a waste of money that was.

- Seth

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Tue, 10/12/2004 - 23:41
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I guess it depends on your needs. I quite like my Sizzix with the circles die. It can punch through more than a thin sheet of paper, anything more than for which all of those hand punches are utterly useless.

-- Matthew

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Wed, 10/13/2004 - 01:04
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FastLearner wrote:
I guess it depends on your needs.

I have to agree with you about the single sheet vs thicker thing. However my problem with it is the near-impossibility to line up your cut or know what you're cutting. I tried to make a sort of template, but even that is nearly useless.

I think I would only need to cut one sheet at a time anyway.

- Seth

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Wed, 10/13/2004 - 07:51
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sedjtroll wrote:
The punch sounds like an OK idea, but do you have to print near the edge of the page?

What I do is print each die's faces in a set, several times on a page. I then cut out each set and punch from there. It's time consuming, but at least it works for now.

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Wed, 10/13/2004 - 15:59
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sedjtroll wrote:
my problem with it is the near-impossibility to line up your cut or know what you're cutting. I tried to make a sort of template, but even that is nearly useless.

I've never used this sort of punch, but can you print guidelines that are visible just beyond the edges of the punch when the target graphic is centered?

Start by loading plain paper into the punch, drawing a pencil line around the punch, and then punch the paper. Now you can see where the pencil line is relative to the part that's punched out. Measure carefully and make the printout on label paper include this outline. Of course, include breaks in the outline to make room for the next label so you don't waste a large area of the sheet on each punchout.

Jason

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Wed, 10/13/2004 - 17:39
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For what it's worth, I just made a set of 5 custom dice by printing onto regular label stock and then using an x-acto knife and a straight edge to cut out the squares. I used 1/2" squares which came out absolutely perfect. They're slightly smaller than the die faces and easy enough to position. I created the artwork along with some simple cu marks to guide the cutting. The whole process for cutting out enough artwork for 5 dice (30 pieces) was about 15 minutes.

A word of warning for those who try this, when cutting the artwork out, don't cut all the way through the backing if you can help it. I have in the past and the sticker is a pain to get away from the backing. If you cut through the sticker enough to only score the backing, it peels right off like a regular label.

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Thu, 10/14/2004 - 02:38
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Oracle wrote:
I've never used this sort of punch, but can you print guidelines that are visible just beyond the edges of the punch when the target graphic is centered?

With the die that Seth is talking about (not the punch in question), you can't do it that way because the die is like 5" x 6" with 4 different circles on it, and you only want one of them, usually.

However I worked out a simple method where you can first cut the page down to rectangles that are only slightly larger than the one circle you want and then you line one of the corners of the cut-out piece with the desired corner of the die. Works reasonably well.

-- Matthew

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Thu, 10/14/2004 - 10:49
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The search is over!

I found them. Square hole punches for $5 - $12 in sizes of 1/2", 5/8", and 3/4". You can put square faces on square dice in whatever size you want.

http://1stopsquare.com/square.html

You can thank me later.

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Thu, 10/14/2004 - 17:47
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With the protoparts-style dice, the faces are really circles, with the square corners rounded-off.

-- Matthew

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Tue, 01/04/2005 - 18:20
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Dice commercial printers?

Is it not as cheap or cheaper to use commercial printers for dice label printing?
ALso someone pointed me to www.gameparts.net I think the URL was and they do custom punch dice which the set up costs $US30 per side.
Regards

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Wed, 01/05/2005 - 12:46
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Notice the "proto" in "protoparts" -- these are for prototyping a game, not final production. It would be needlessly expensive to have custom dice made for a prototype.

-- Matthew

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