Miniatures size, amount and damage tokens

I don't own a copy of memmoir44. How big are the hexes there?

My own original hexes feel to small for miniatures. 4 cm as point to point, equal to 1.5 inch. I think I would like to have at least 2 inch this time.

The miniatures will not be on scale. Tanks will rougly be 1.5 times as big as infantry.

6 infantry is a maximum. 4 for the lightest of tanks. It might be 5 if a certain card is used. Or I design in a simpler way.

You don't want to know what my hobby game had for rules regarding this. Right now, I am trying to simplify as much as possible.

You can move any where, as long as space permits it. If the enemy is blocking the path, kill a couple of units. Then there is a path. But every time when you want to move through this path with an enemy. You will come to a complete stop in that region.
Melee units (0 range) will become very useful path blockers. But also the ones to engage such stops.
I am planning a card for this that will ignore the rule one time.

I want to get rid of my A5 information cards.
And turn them into normal cards (to go with the bag of miniatures if I ever get that far).
Waaay less information. However, I still have a lot.
An alternative route would be a table of the statistics. But then I am limited to the number of designs. And the tier of 8 would be dropped.

body
- Health is visible by the holes. Unless I keep going with cardboard pieces.
- Durability, while not intended, structures have it by the general rules. Maybe a special rule for some. It would be applied on the damage roll. 3/6th or 2/6th is what I have. I could do any type of roll now from 1/6th to 6/6th.
- Speed
weapon
- Damage
- Amount of Projectiles
- Accuracy, while not intended. But maybe in the far future. So this too would be a special rule. This mechanic is so simple, that I can allow it.
- Range

That was how my first version went. :) But I moved on to little white boards. And now it is time to say farewell to them.

Now, that is something that I considered doing as well. And in regards to the infantry or any instant kill, it already is right now.
The problem lies in balance and my hidden RPS technique.

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Talking about cardboard pieces. I am picturing 2x2x0.1cm again.
The smallest unit with health tracking so far would cost 3 and is a wall. A region can have 8 of these. That is to much, but they can be stacked and done with in no particular order.
The movable units, thus the ones which can switch cover etc. They would have a minimum cost of 6 (I want to refrain of 5). A player can have 4 of them on a hexagon.

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Right now. The army I picture would have clear prices. It would be much simpler compare to the chaos that I once posted. I have 7 options.

12 * 2 (only one wall)
8 * 3
6 * 4 (most infantry)
4 * 6 (most light units)
3 * 8 (most medium units)
2 * 12 (most heavy units)
1 * 24

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Then as a special rule, some units might be smaller, yet cost more.
I had a lot of fun with dividing size by 2,25 and multiplying costs by 1,5 with my hobby version. But that is not possible here. All I can do is divide size by 4 and multiply costs by 2.

24/4=6 and costs 48, you can have 1.
12/4=3 and costs 24, you still can have 2.
8/4=2 and costs 16, you still can have 3.
4/4=1 and costs 8, you still can have 6. And I have no idea what kind of infantry that could be.

(Be warned, a long post ahead)

Things to consider
I have a lot to consider with all the options you have given. Right now I am thinking about the following:

That was a couple of days ago.

The map will be clustered with tokens much more if I apply the cover system. But how much more?

Cover system
The cover system works like this:
There is a front line and a support line on 1 hexagon.
This is determined by the owning player as soon as they take fire.
The front line has to be bigger then the support line.
A tank (8 big) can give cover to an infantry unit (4 - 6 big). But the infantry unit cannot give cover to a tank.

If the infantry units are 4 big. The tank of 8 can even give cover to 2 infantry units.

With 24 points in mind. There can be only a maximum support line of 12. Anything more, and the attacking player may select a target of the support line.

Pros:
-This system brings a lot of balance to a wargame.
-And allows for interesting situations.
-Healers/Repairs are possible. (Although, healing is not any more with infantry having only 1 health now)
Cons:
-It is impossible to simulate this 100% with AI for testing. (I can know, we trialled 3 lines instead of 2 in the hobby version)
-Injured/Damaged units go to the support line and take tokens with them.
-A bit of extra time consumption on deciding the lines.
-A bit of extra time consumption on figuring out the next targets.

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Concept: Playing a round
I am planning to construct a round like this:
- Players pick a number from a bag to decide the order of play for the next round.
- "Pre combat things to do." In order of players.
- Combat: Move or Attack.
- "After combat things to do." In order of players.

Concept: Combat
The combat would go like this:
-Player "1" moves or attacks with at least one unit, but at most an entire region. After the action, these units are exhausted for the round. A player also may refuse to do any thing. This is ok, but has to be careful that other players don't refuse as well. If they do, the round is over.
-Player "2" does the exact same thing.
-Back to player "1" again doing this. etc.
-Repeat until all players declare not taking an action or not being able too.

Why do I tell this about the phases of a round?
It is easily possible that a player will loose several hexagons worth of units in just one round. There won't be much tokens on the field this way.

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Claiming tokens from the field?
Claiming tokens, while there are insufficient?
I could use a rule to claim them from units/structures that are already heavily damage.
But I worked this rule out and concluded that it is not worth the players time.

Right now, the way how the game works is best at the moment. Simply putting tokens on damaged units is the best way to go. Since there aren't much needed due to the strategy of players.
Of course, there can be "idiot" matches. In that case. I think I can calculate how much tokens are needed in total. And simply provide that much.

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Back to topic: miniature sizes
This is how the sizes are pictures by me on the board for the miniatures.

But only in terms of basis. I read somewhere long ago, that 3d figures basis have the following rule: The long side may not exceed 2 times the short side. I don't know why, but I will keep it in mind.

I don't know how much the height may exceed. But I believe it had the same rule. No more then 2 times the short side.
Good for the infantry, but of no use for tanks. Maybe certain structures.
Height is a maximum, it can vary. But the width and length is something that I need to keep in mind.

All in cm.

2: 0.5 x 1 x H 1
or 0.625 x 0.8 x H 1.25
3: 0.75 x 1 x H 1.5
4: 1 x 1 x H 2
or 0.8 x 1.25 x H 1.6
6: 1 x 1.5 x H 2
or 1.2 x 1.25 x H 2.4
8: 1 x 2 x H 2
or 1.25 x 1.6 x H 2.5
12: 1.5 x 2 x H 3
or 1.2 x 2.5 x H 2.4
24: 2 x 3 x H 4
or 2.4 x 2.5 x H 4.8

Now looking at the 3. Here is our first keyhole for the defensive types. Either a wall, or a mobile wall.
How big should the keyhole be for the damage token?
A diameter of?
http://www.leidenpsychologyblog.nl/images/sized/images/uploads/barnhoorn...

Damage token details
The damage token itself should have a yellow=1 and blue=3 side (color blind friendly?). It is actually just a pin. Maybe the numbers visible on them somehow. 1 cm long. Going 0.5 cm deep. I think the minimum height for the miniatures is now going to be 0.75 cm then.

I don't know if these sizes are too small. Maybe I need to upgrade them a bit.
I also don't know if the 3d printer of my cousin is able to do this.

I discussed a lot with my cousin regarding 3d printing the miniatures.
To keep things short: It is certain that I need to up scale my plan. Maybe by a factor of 2 to 3.

Shapes for the basis are not set in stone.
I think that infantry will get a round basis.
The rest would probably be square or rectangle in shape. There is no need for a basis. As long as the shape from top view is somewhat that of the square/rectangle.

That... might take a while.
[me]*[my cousin]=[product]³

- First, I need to make sure what theme exactly is going to be used. In terms of units. Dune, C&C, KKnD or something else.
- Will I be doing races, or just overall units? In the latter case, I need to find a way to show colours. Unless I make multiple prints with different colours like most games. My hobby chaos variant had a colour chit for each squad, a maximum of 18 per player. That was not funny! But, everyone could choose the same unit/structure. Just like how someone can put a deck together in MtG.
- After the decisions, I need to start designing the stats. This time, it will be simple and easy.
This because I only have 5+2 stats right now. And god forbid if I dare adding more before actually finishing something good!

Each battle, only 1 unit is damage. The rest has nothing or is dead.

A hexagon/region can contain the following or a mix of them:
6 infantry, 4 light vehicles, 3 medium vehicles, 2 heavy vehicles.

4 light vehicles can have at most 4 damage tokens.
3 medium vehicles can have at most 6 damage tokens.
2 heavy vehicles can have at most 6 damage tokens.

Those situations can arise when fighting the simple infantry. If 2 heavy vehicles fight other heavy vehicles. 1 hit and the heavy vehicle is dead. Depending on the weapons they carry.

But I am doubting the RPS mechanics. I think they are too weak to have a strategical meaning. I mean, having the best force would still mean loosing over half of your force.

Trapping is almost non-existent. A force can easily fight itself out or take at least an equal amount of units within its grave.

I really had trouble with balancing too. 'Overkill effects' and cover for 'infantry only squads' are non-existent. Only the bonus rule remained. And putting that on 100% instead of 50% brings forth weird results.

The game is stuck in its progress. Maybe I should bring back health for infantry. And simply scrapping a tier.
Infantry = 2 health. Light vehicles = 4 health and heavy vehicles = 8 health. With the weapons doing 1, 2 or 4 damage. Then we get more damage tokens.

6 Infantry vehicles can have at most 6 damage tokens.
4 light vehicles can have at most 8 damage tokens.
3 heavy vehicles can have at most 6 damage tokens.

I don't know yet which direction I should take. 100% bonus, or scrapping a tier to introduce more cover. But it still would mean a higher bonus then the 50% from my original game. I must await the simulators of my cousin.

Not to sound ungrateful.

- An easy to read hexagon board.
Perhaps with levels in altitude or at least drawn that way. Modular is welcome too.
- Miniatures.
Or at least cardboard pieces in low amounts.
- Minor damage tracking.
Either suitable for the miniatures or for the cardboard pieces.
- And a small deck of Event Cards.
That will allow players to do special actions like Assault.

What I am trying to get rid of are:
- Small whiteboards and permanent markers. It is messy.
- That freakish Action Point menu!
- Unrealistic terrain effects. So no more terrain types. I only got altitude that says yes or no.
- XP effects. No more hero's that bite the dust moments later by Event Cards.
- No weird Event Cards that require players to roll many dice and calculate things.
- Players should not calculate things.

What I wish for, as heart of my game:
- Natural RPS.
- Strategy caused by this RPS.

Theme is not something to worry about right now. I need to get the heart right. It lacks something to work properly.
But it could be that I don't feel the RPS since it is so flat.

I think I am understanding my problem a bit more now.
The original game was having tanks doing their tanking job. And fodder doing their fodder job.
And if one side is doing their damage part, the other side has to be tanking or foddering.
But the current design is waaay to fast for tanks to soak up enough damage so that infantry can put out some damage. And the infantry die just as fast.

Rifle infantry beat bazooka infantry.
Bazooka infantry beat tanks.
And the original game had rifle infantry + bazooka infantry beating tanks harder.
But the current game makes them worse.
Mixing up used to be good. But now it is not!!

So one attempt remains.
A&A has a rule that might help here. And that is that the defender decides where the damage goes of all times.

eg. Player A does 6 damage with his rifle infantry. Player B has 6 light vehicles. Player B decides that each light vehicle will get 1 damage.

eg2. Player A has 3 rifle infantry and 2 bazooka infantry. Player B does 3 damage. Normally 2 rifle infantry and 1 bazooka would die. But the A&A rules state that only all rifle infantry will die.

eg3. Player A has 3 rifle infantry and 1 heavy tank. Player B does 6 damage with an heavy explosive and 3 damage with infantry. Player A can decide to take the 6 damage by sacrificing 1 rifle infantry. And the 3 damage on the heavy tank. Normally all damage would go to one target and the damage would be decided further by the attacking player.

Yes Questccg.

Players could still have a different stats card for their mini's.

The total size of an army on average.
About 20 infantry. (6+6+4+3)
About 15 light. (6+4+3+2)
About 12 medium. (4+3+3+2)
About 9 heavy. (3+2+2+2)

With spares. It is almost a total of 60 to 70.

The structures are not counted yet. But seeing this number. 1 player would be getting a total of 120 mini's.

Maybe still a bit to much.

Fast bikes or buggies have always been my favourite units in any game. You can't see me without when playing on cncnet. And no matter what theme I come up with. I must have bikes as well. Might be hoover bikes.

Transport is something that I will not do in this game. The original did have transport. But it was relatively a nuisance.

While I said 20 infantry. It was more the 4 infantry types combined.

I often go with a [body types]x[weapon types] RPS.

With that, I mean that I have 4 different bodies and 4 different weapons for each player.

Not sure what you mean with rocket bikes that shoot with machine guns.

The following is only an estimate.
6 Infantry + anti Infantry (heardsmen)
6 Infantry + anti light
4 Infantry + anti medium
3 Infantry + anti heavy
6 Light + anti Infantry
4 Light + anti light
4 Light + anti medium
2 Light + anti heavy
6 Medium + anti Infantry
3 Medium + anti light
3 Medium + anti medium
2 Medium + anti heavy
3 Heavy + anti Infantry
2 Heavy + anti light
2 Heavy + anti medium
2 Heavy + anti heavy

And that is where the "perhaps too much" comes from.
I am considering getting rid of 1 type. Reducing the 16 to 9. It is probably the heavy types that will bite the dust.

I would change the sets to Infantry, Vehicles and Tanks.

And why would I do that? I have discovered that the foddering and the tanking is to weak. And to make sure this strategy is made more clear. I am going to change certain rules regarding the dice.

The basic accuracy is going to be linked to what weapon hits which health class.

I have 2 options open at the moment:

Option 1 (linear).
The dice are going to simply follow rolling a 3 or less is a hit. But on the wrong type it will be rolling 2 or less (or even 1). This means that the durability of any wrong target is 150% (or even 300%).

Option 2 (exponential).
The dice are going to be linked to the combinations.
The 3 types of weapons will be doing 1, 2 or 4 damage (8 is scrapped, remember?)
The targets will have 1, 2 or 4 health.
The basic accuracy will be 4. But if one of the 2 factors is less then the other. There will also be a division.
2 damage on 4 health? The accuracy is 2.
1 damage on 4 health? The accuracy is 1.
4 damage on 2 health? The accuracy is 2.
1 damage on 2 health? The accuracy is 2.
4 damage on 1 health? The accuracy is 1.
2 damage on 1 health? The accuracy is 2.

I like the second option more. But it is harder to explain to players. It does follow the natural RPS, despite being mechanical itself. On the other hand, the linear RPS is mechanical to its core.

Maybe I should also double up the health of all units. Thus infantry having 2. Vehicles having 4. Tanks having 8. But then players need to know that 2 damage on infantry has to be 1 damage. And 2*1 damage on infantry is truly 2.

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Having chips in the base of a miniature also sounds good. No holes in the actual body.

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Right now, I am thinking of a stats deck to come with the game. Or at least the miniatures.
1 card will contain the information and a cool pictures of 1 of the miniatures. All the miniatures on the board, owned by that player will have those stats.
The stats are:
Miniatures allowed.
Costs and size per miniature.
Speed
Health
Range
Damage