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Isn't there any edible card game, why not?

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horusr
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A small deck-building game, art printed with edible ink on edible paper, loser eats the deck which tastes terrible.

I watched a tv show on Discovery Channel about a place sell printed foods. I remembered that documentary today and thought we can do card games. Very expensive card games but playable and edible games.

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horusr wrote:loser eats the

horusr wrote:
loser eats the deck which tastes terrible.

NO!

Change this into, winner eats tasty deck of the loser.
(And afterwards his/her own tasty deck if he/she wants to)

And you're good to go. :)

Many existing games can be turned into an edible game. (And I have played many of these) But having cards with a print on them to be edible is something "new".

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Reverse deck builder

X3M wrote:
horusr wrote:
loser eats the deck which tastes terrible.

NO!

Change this into, winner eats tasty deck of the loser.
(And afterwards his/her own tasty deck if he/she wants to)

And you're good to go. :)

Many existing games can be turned into an edible game. (And I have played many of these) But having cards with a print on them to be edible is something "new".

Even better(IMO), make a reverse deck builder with the objective to destroy the opponent's deck card by card. Every time you destroy a card of your opponent, take it and consume it. However, the idea eating cards that were handled by people I don't know very well definitely gives me pause. And how good would edible cards be for shuffling?

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You don't have to get too fancy...

It's not really necessary to get too fancy with it - just print the card design onto the wrapper! (As an aside, I'm imagining little rectangular chocolates wrapped like a MtG pack, maybe with hidden information under the tab seal on the back?)

If you mass-produced it, you could probably sell it for a relatively reasonable rate, and no one would touch the chocolates themselves because they're wrapped!

That said, returning to the MtG idea, it would be funny to have a trading card game (or deckbuilder) inside of a game played with the booster packs themselves - the capturing of pieces allows you first pick of the cards inside, or something like that.

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Pizza Wars

The closest I would come to this concept, I think, would be Pizza Wars. They use toothpicks. Read for a bit of inspiration:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4180/pizza-wars

Does anyone know of a game designed around bags of Halloween candy or something like that? Keeping the candies in a wrapper. ...Now that I think about it, I'm receiving a Glowforge later this year, and it might be fun to cut out game pieces made of chocolate, wrappers be damned. :D

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Chocolate, gum or just edible paper?

X3M wrote:

NO!

Change this into, winner eats tasty deck of the loser.
(And afterwards his/her own tasty deck if he/she wants to)

Aren't bad tasted cards more challenging?
Or maybe we can mix them, but how?

Leadpipe wrote:

However, the idea eating cards that were handled by people I don't know very well definitely gives me pause. And how good would edible cards be for shuffling?

Wash your hands before playing cards or just wear gloves! Or don't play the game as better choice. Maybe wrapped cards are better idea as ray343 said.

I didn't do much research about edible papers, they can be bad at shuffling or they can be too soft to hold or too fragil to play. There are some edible playing cards but they are usually for decoration.

ruy343 wrote:

If you mass-produced it, you could probably sell it for a relatively reasonable rate, and no one would touch the chocolates themselves because they're wrapped!

I think wrapped chocolate deck will be expensive for 1 time playable games. Is there something cheaper then chocolate?

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Marzipan???

Marzipan???

Visit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marzipan

Maybe you could FLAVOR the Marzipan with crazy flavors... Some GOOD (Yummy) and some BAD (Yuck!).

Alternatively you could make it that COMBINATIONS taste good or bad. Not sure how complex it can get. But I know people flavor marzipan all the time...

Picture those two PIGs on the WIKI actually taste like BACON! :P

horusr
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Good idea

I ate some stale cake some time ago, it's fondant flowers was so hard but not too thick... If marzipan dries quickly and can be thiner I think it is good option.

I should go some patisseries today.

Update: Couldn't find marzipan near. Shop doesn't sell marzipan because it is expensive and they can't sell it.

I said hard cards are good but they will hard to eat... So, I don't know...

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I suggest biscuits instead of

I suggest biscuits instead of chocolate:
- they can be moulded with a design, or have a thin layer of icing with a design "printed" on them (think iced-zoo biscuits), or both)
- they are cheaper than chocolate
- they are more stable with respect to storage temperature and have a better shelf-life (if sealed in airtight container)
- they are hard - they will take somewhat more rough handling than chocolate, marzipan or icing, and can be used and shuffled like tiles.
- like chocolate, they can be (and sometimes are) individually wrapped in plastic or cellophane "biscuit sleeves"
- they can still be chocolate flavoured (or peanut-butter, or lemon, or whatever)
- prototyping is easy because there are already so many different shaped biscuits available (and I want to help with play-testing, please!)

I'd personally not go with edible paper (rice paper or similar, I presume?), because although it may be non-toxic and fine in small amounts, I imagine eating a whole deck worth might give one indigestion or constipation or something. Probably not at all dangerous, but decidedly uncomfortable. I also remember a starch-based type that a friend and I tried to use on home-made nougat - that was too thick, hard and brittle, and it was like thin glass when we tried to eat the nougat -ouch! I can heartily recommend using it for cardstock for a card game for sadists.

More generally:

You can play many games as edible games - I've seen edible chocolate chess-sets on sale, and heard of a game of draughts or checkers that was played with miniature liqueur bottles - I suspect play deteriorated towards the end of that one!)
And brightly coloured, individually wrapped boiled sweets would make great gems for a suitably-themed euro-game or fantasy rpg.

horusr
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So let's make home-made

So let's make home-made nougat cardstocks!(joke)

Biscuit cardstock idea reminds me Flintstones (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a6/0e/83/a60e83d977046394c5bd8...)

So every option has strong and week sides, and non of them makes you feel like playing normal card game but edible, I think we can talk about themes for different materials.

Biscuits working best on... ? Flintstones!

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Haha! Or dominoes, or

Haha!
Or dominoes, or Babylonian clay tablets...

horusr
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Explorer Tasmanian Devils try to eat an clay tablet

In a maze, there are traps, dangerous creatures and edible walls.
Eating walls is easy way to get away dead ends, but they are not easy to eat because they are too hot.

As an explorer tasmanian devil, roll dice and move, turn corners, try to stay away from traps and set traps for slow down your friends.

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I love the idea of the loser having to eat a foul tasting deck of cards, I think you should add some really creative flavors like aloe and black tea or pork boiled in milk flavor (flavor only, no actual animal constituents)
Make it disgusting as hell!

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Interesting idea, but I would

Interesting idea, but I would think the licenses and control systems that would need to be put in place would be prohibitive. We're now talking about food items and they are highly regulated!

Not to mention to get the cost per game (which is a one-and-done item) would need to be dropped so far .. I think you'd have to have 10,000 or more units produced to get the price right.

Definitely something that could be worth looking into but man .. the headaches involved in edible games would not be for me!

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not everywhere has fda

regulations are different and differently applied in various parts of the world. There are places where as long as it has all ingredients listed you're fine, others need ingredients, allergens, etc and vigrous testing and yet others still don't give a cookie, they'll be deligted to get any kind of food into their country, even if it is a disgusting tasting card game.

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To get around the regulatory

To get around the regulatory difficulties, you want to get food companies to manufacture and market your game, not a regular board game publishers (or at least you should get a tie-in between a food company and the publisher). Thats why I suggested biscuits (although the same will apply to chocolates, sweets/candy or any other type of food which is packaged and sold as large numbers of individual pieces in a box or bag, with a decent shelf-life). Biscuits (and the other food I mentioned) are often packaged with differing components in a "variety pack" anyway, so in principle it shouldn't be too big a jump from what the biscuit bakeries already do (although I imagine that the tooling to mould the biscuits will be a fairly large initial cost.) And I can imagine children taking packets of the game biscuits to school for their lunch, or adults serving them with coffee at the end of a dinner party, in both cases playing the game then eating the deck. So it will have fairly broad appeal I think.

I can imagine slightly rebellious teenagers or mildly inebriated university students avidly playing the foul-tasting card game as a sort of dare or take-your-best-shot thing, but (and this is from a purely commercial rather than artistic point of view) there will probably be a smaller market for it (and it will be more tricky to find a company who can manufacture it - few food manufacturers deliberately try to make foul-tasting food (although some succeed admirably anyway). Of course that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done or is a bad idea.

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Midnight_Carnival, thanks for your support! But I should no pork stuff, think muslims and jews. Yes you said no real animal constituents but there is problem with "pork" word itself. Eery single food product has prok-free infrmation on it here, in Turkey. (nothing important thing but I just wanted to say).

For other entry, I can say it is not big problem, because, you know, there ia a lot of companies works international and products you can buy almost every countries... And there is chocolate in aliexpres you can buy. It shouldn't be so damn hard, right? Or not:

Damn, certification is really expensive and I don't know whih certification we need, but the good thing is, I should contact to some companies or manufacturers at some point, and they should know what to do and how to do. And I hope they will do.

I checked TSE http://tse.org.tr/en/ (standard standard certification in Turkey, don't buy if there is no TSE logo on it) there is a lot of fees, that made me crazy.

will continue...

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I've been running edible

I've been running edible miniatures games for a while now. They're a load of fun.

I've become the unofficial champion of local confectionary combat game Tiny Teddies Go To War and have run it at PAX Aus for the last three years running. Rules are free to download from my blog here: http://roleplaygreenroom.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/tiny-teddies-go-to-war-...

I've also got a Mad Max-esque real-time vehicle combat game called Rocky Road Warriors, which is also free to download here: http://roleplaygreenroom.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/rocky-road-warriors-rul...

My savoury game of salami, cheese, crackers and galactic conquest (Entree Invaders) is currently being written.

You can learn about Tiny Teddies Got To War in issue 14 of The Campaigner http://thecampaignermagazine.com/issues/issue-14/

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Ok so...

It is nice to see there is edible games. But I wish to listen about costs, licences, testing stuff as people mentioned... Can you give us some information?

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I'm not sure if this applies,

I'm not sure if this applies, but my own game, Jelly Bean Farmers, has as its subtitle, "The Game Where You Eat the Playing Pieces." (I'm not sure that it's cool to link to it here, but if you Google "Jelly Bean Farmers" it should be among the first couple of hits.)

The concept is that you're a farmer growing Jelly Beans on your farm. Every season you have to eat one jelly bean. You're expected to provide the jelly beans for the game.

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Cost can be a bit crazy. I

Cost can be a bit crazy. I tend to find that about $5 per player tends to more than cover costs (for a 5 or 6 player game). I tend to design around the $25 mark per game (Australian dollars). Fortunately, PAX Aus foots the bill for this and have been very supportive, but asking players for a $5 donation will also get the job done.

In regards to food hygiene laws, that always comes down to your local area. However, edible games are no more unhygienic than a children's birthday party and participants are under no obligation to eat anything. It is always their choice and their risk. Easiest to make that clear at the start.

One of the simplest ways to counter the problem is to only use food that requires no preparation (candy and cookies/lollies and biscuits). Furthermore, since players only ever eat their own dead minis then only they have touched their food.

As for the licenses and so forth, I've only ever offered the game and rules for free. I'd have no idea how to market it for money.

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Oh...

I see...
Can't you make cookie molds for sell? Playing game is long and hard thing but you can market it. Molds and recipe(you should change lollies of course.)

It could be cheaper(or not) for the player.

I think I can play your game if I can find some teddy bear cookies here. Is bear chocolates or (http://www.haydimaydi.com/cloud/314.JPG) count?

Edible games going to be headache...

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I tend to use gummi bear

I tend to use gummi bear lollies as commando units. They hit hard, move fast, but die easily.

Basically, convert anything from the confectionary aisle of your supermarket. Locally we have tiny teddy biscuits that measure about an inch square which are perfect, but feel free to use whatever you want.

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Gummy Bear Brawl

An edible game idea I had (from a Halloween game thread a few years back) was combining the game "Pass the Pigs" with Gummy Bears. The game rules were very simple:

Wash your hands and the playing surface! Open the bag and hand each player a set or multiple sets of matching gummy bears (same flavor).

Every round, all players toss upto 2 of their gummy bears. The player with the round's highest score (based on their bears' resting positions) gets to eat 1 gummy bear from the player with the round's lowest score.

Repeat until there is 1 bear (team) left standing!

Some examples of scoring positions are:
Both of your bears standing up, "Double Trouble", is the highest score. Both of your bears resting on their sides while not touching another bear, "Hibernation", is the the lowest score. If one of your bears is touching another bear (from your or another team), its scored as a "Bear Hug".

The entire rules and scoring positions would be on the back of the candy package.

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