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Oops, I already spilled my beans...I'll have to keep a tighter lip from now on. Hope I didn't screw up my chances.

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Come on Shrike don’t be so humble.

Your game is the best and will be picked. If it is not the best why would you have entered?

Ok Dralius, you're right, enough of this humble stuff. YOU CAN ALL RELAX, MY GAME HAS ALREADY WON!!!! Whew, I feel better already, thanks. =)

Shrike

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Dralius wrote:
All levity aside Z-Man and his brother-in-law may already have a mental picture of what they want.

***True dat. Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know it will take about two weeks to go through everything - at the last minute we got almost 2 dozen more entries bringing the total to near 50 entries!

Very cool, but that means my brother and I will need the extra time to read through everything and discuss matters.

Please be patient.

Thanks!

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50 entries. Cool. Take your time.

I wonder how many lurkers submitted? Come on... don't be shy, speak up! :)

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I submitted one idea. I had been toying around with several different approaches since Zev first posted the offer, but none of them led to anything really workable. Add to that the lack of time and computer access due to my vacation, and I was on the verge of resignation, already thinking 'I should have submitted something'.

Finally, just two nights before the deadline, at about 1:00 am, while trying to sleep, an idea came, and I ended up sitting on my sister in law's kitchen taking notes. I managed to convince my wife to go shopping with her sister ne next afternoon, while I stayed at home 'taking care of the kids' (i.e. working on my sister in law's notebook while the kids played happily on their own), so I was finally able to submit a proposal.

It's a simple game, I think it might work fine, but I'm affraid it might be a bit too abstract to match Zev's idea. Anyway, even if I don't get selected (and I don't think I have much chance) I might end up with a nice simple game, so no time is lost.

Seo

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I've been out of it for abit, anyone hear anything? I know they got alot more entries than they were thinking, just wondering..... I don't want to push anyone any which way, but the curiousity is killing me! =)

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Shrike wrote:
I've been out of it for abit, anyone hear anything? I know they got alot more entries than they were thinking, just wondering..... I don't want to push anyone any which way, but the curiousity is killing me! =)

This is an e-mail I got from Zev on August 8th.

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Hey, Michael:

Still going through it - though most of it is done by my brother first - he really wants to inspect every one and as I said I got nearly 50 proposals. I'm hoping to have some answer before I leave for Gencon next week.
Zev

Since Gencon just ended on the 21st, I imagine he is recovering from that right now.

-Darke

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I sent an inquisitive email to Zev on the 25th and got this prompt reply:

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I hope to have some news next week after another con this weekend. Summer is busy and I got overwhelmed.

...so we must wait, I suppose. My fingers are killing me from how long they've been crossed! :) Hang tough people, I'm sure he will let us know soon.

~Josh

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Thanks for the info folks, pretty much what I thought. Heck, the two times I've been to Gen Con I was wiped out for a week and I was just attending, not there showing things and being a business guy! =) Refilling patience tank and finding something else to OCD over for abit, I guess I'll go back to Firefly/Serenity...... =)

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I LOVE Firefly. I must have watched the whole series 5 times by now. Janes Town is my favorite episode. I heard rumors about a big screen movie. Any news on that?

Xan Lynch
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xantheman wrote:
I LOVE Firefly. I must have watched the whole series 5 times by now. Janes Town is my favorite episode. I heard rumors about a big screen movie. Any news on that?

Xan Lynch
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It's scheduled for release this September 30th.
http://www.fireflymovie.com/

K.

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And the movie, Serenity, kicks ass.

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...so we must wait, I suppose. My fingers are killing me from how long they've been crossed! :) Hang tough people, I'm sure he will let us know soon.

~Josh

***Almost ready. I was hoping for this weekend but then some personal stuff came up and I'm trying to work around it. I will be sepaking with the brother to narrow the field of entrants down. I hope to have some news real soon.

Thanks for all your patience.

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I don't know if I ever said, I did submit a proposal as well. It' was for a Blood Feud in New York style game, based largely on the computer game Chaos Overlords, and in part on the movie Underworld.

I suspect it's not the style of game they're looking for, and it only uses 2 of the movie monsters - and not in the campy monster-movie roles... rather its a turf war between Lycans and Vampires over a city (see the movie Underworld). One player plays the Vamps, one player plays the Lycans, and it could be 3 player with the third player playing Humans.

The city is broken up into 'neighborhoods', and each neighborhood has different areas or whatever - 1 of each area per neighborhood. Players go around controlling these areas, which give them income and/or special abilities, some have upkeep costs, etc. You get a bonus (a la Monopoly) for controlling sets of areas - either areas of the same type, or areas in the same neighborhood.

There's some combat, some movement, etc. The coolest part is probably that you don't automatically control areas where you have guys, or even where you have the most guys. Instead you have to spend time and effort influencing the areas.

So like I said, it's pretty far removed from what I think they're looking for, but it was all I could come up with (that I liked).

- Seth

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OK, finally I have gotten the results to the contest. My brother and I discussed matters for awhile and since we both have diametrically opposed tastes it was a hard choice. We decided to take choices from the both of us.

But first let me say thank you to all for submitting your ideas. There were lots of good ideas so it was hard to pick the best. I will say that some of you did not submit a proposal that suited our needs: either the game presented had little to do with the theme we sought or the game was all cards.

Some proposals were very short, describing briefly the theme of the game, but gave little detail on how the game actually played. Needless to say it was hard to say yes to those proposals. None of the proposals seemed ridiculous or dumb and for that I’m grateful: and you all should be happy with that.

As a statistic, we got 3 proposals that described making movies with real monsters as the actors. They were interesting but just not what we were looking for.

The two major themes of games were hunters looking for monsters (for whatever reason and there were a few) or monsters stalking victims, possible turning victims into their minions.

I won’t comment on every submission as I just don’t have the time, plus it’s hard to comment on a proposal except above where I thought it fit or did not with what we were looking for.

The winners of the contest, and those we now seek prototypes for are:

Jason Diamond
Johan Forsell
John Velonis
Sebastian Bleasdale
Tim Mitchell
JR Carlson

Congratulations to them (they have been personally contacted) and again, thank you all for your submissions. If there is no objection, I will send some of those submissions on to my friends at Twilight Creations to see if they wish to use any of them. If you don’t your proposal forwarded onwards, email me privately.

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First off, congrats to the folks moving on to the next round! Great work guys. Secondly another quick thanks to Zev for giving us the chance to play around directly for a publishing shot, it was cool. =)

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Congratulations!

Thank you for the opportunity.

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Jason Diamond
Johan Forsell
John Velonis
Sebastian Bleasdale
Tim Mitchell
JR Carlson

Congrats to all! It's going to be a busy couple of months. I'll no doubt be picking the brains of BGDFers as I work out a prototype.

Can someone help me out with aliases here? Tim Mitchell (me) is Yogurt, and Johan and Sebastian use their own names, I believe. Do the others have BGDF names I'll recognize?

I hope people will post their ideas, even if they weren't right for Z-Man this time round.

I don't know how much I can say about my design yet. It's called "We Were Human, Once" and it's a streamlined adventure game where players take the roles of monsters prowling a city, striving to avoid the authorities as they pursue the one thing that really matters to them (which may be a stolen treasure, an unrequited love or a nemesis...).

Yogurt

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Can someone help me out with aliases here? Tim Mitchell (me) is Yogurt, and Johan and Sebastian use their own names, I believe. Do the others have BGDF names I'll recognize?

I'm John Velonis. (And no, that's not a self-portrait.)

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Congratulations to everyone, and thanks so much ot Zev. It's awesome to have such a great opportunity presented to the BGDF community.

(I was one of the "real monsters in a movie" guys. :) )

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Can someone help me out with aliases here? Tim Mitchell (me) is Yogurt, and Johan and Sebastian use their own names, I believe. Do the others have BGDF names I'll recognize?

Yes I use my own name (Johan).

First of all, thank Z-man for the opportunity. Congratulations to all others that also went on to the next round.

I had 4 games as submission and one of the games was a TV game (that one did not make it).

The next round will be harder. We have (at least I got that) until 1 December to have a working first prototype. This gives me around 90 days to make the prototype.
I'm planning to have at least 3 full scale tests (with a test group of 4-6 players), an equally amount of half tests ("solo" test with 2 players) and a number of solo tests. In my experience, I will redo the rules and the prototype from scratch several times before I'm satisfied (still I have the first design ready and are working on my fisrt prototype).

If I check out the opponents, there are strong fields. Both Yogurt and Sebastian has a good record in the Showdown (and there they have interesting high quality proposals). I recon that the other selected games have the same quality as Yogurt and Sebastian usually have. The fact that we had 6 games instead of 3-4 as intended would partly be that there was a lot of interesting games (not just the once that was selected) and Z-man had a hard time to pick.
In theory all submission have a little less then 1 chance out of 6 (Z-man can chose to drop it all). I think that we have to put in a lot of hours just to come up to the theory.

Yogurt did say that his game We Were Human Once is an adventure board game. My game Horror in Europe is an epic strategy game. The type of chosen games look very different, but within the same theme and limitations.

Good luck to all of you others.

// Johan

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yogurt wrote:

Can someone help me out with aliases here? Tim Mitchell (me) is Yogurt, and Johan and Sebastian use their own names, I believe. Do the others have BGDF names I'll recognize?

First off I would like to echo previous posts, and thank Z-Man for the great opportunity. I'm honored to be amoug the finalist, and wish everyone luck.

For those interested, I'm JR Carlson and my game currently doesn't have a name (I'm such a slacker). It involves escaped monsters out for vengeance and control.

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Congratulations gentlemen! May the best design win!

-Darke

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Congratulations fo all the finalists!

Given the names involved, I'm already looking for the finished winning game to be available. :-)

I wonder what sort of food is involved in Yogurt's We Were Humans Once...

Seo

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I wonder what sort of food is involved in Yogurt's We Were Humans Once...

Teenagers.

Actually, there's no food nor even much preying on innocents. My take on classic movie monsters is that they're misunderstood, not evil. The terror and destruction they spread is as much due to human panic as the monsters' beastliness.

But it's an adventure game, so I'll throw in a pudding card just for you, Seo. ;)

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yogurt wrote:
Can someone help me out with aliases here? Tim Mitchell (me) is Yogurt, and Johan and Sebastian use their own names, I believe. Do the others have BGDF names I'll recognize?

Indeed, I use my own name. How else would people be able to recognise all the games I've published and treat me with the respect I deserve. [Although, in order for this to work, I really must get round to getting a game published at some point...]

My game is ... well, I may as well use the description that my submission started with.

For decades, an uneasy stalemate has held in the crypt - no group of monsters having the power to overcome the others. Now, things are changing. The sound of distant footsteps has echoed down the hallways. The breeze of open doorways has moved the musty air. A party of adventurers is coming. It is time for the battle to restart...

Crypt Stalkers is a game of monster fighting monster. I envisiage a relatively fluid board, with monsters taking control of areas, loosing them, and regrouping elsewhere. The feel of the battles will be that your opponant is pressing relentlessly towards you, that you can't hold them off. And that's before we get to the adventurers, moving through the crypt, killing indiscriminately, trying to steal the the sceptre of might - the only thing that stops the crypt collapsing. Just because you're a monster, doesn't mean you can't feel fear.

Hopefully I can make a game that stands up to the grandious language ;)

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I'm discovering that adventure games require a lot of bookkeeping. I don't want to print anything out until I've had a few successful run-throughs, so it's all electronic right now.

So far I have:

    * a Word document for the rules * a flowchart for the board (recommendation: OpenOffice Draw, quirky but easy to use connectors)
    * three spreadsheets for different sorts of cards
    * a CardTable file for playtesting
    * an OCTGN file for playtesting too (not sure which is best yet).
And I have a long way to go yet.

Ah, I should have pitched an elegant Euro game instead. ;)

Yogurt

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This is a real challenge for me. This time I have to work with one game only to get ready with the prototype (normally I have 2-4 games in parallel). All other games have to be put on hold until this first prototype is ready. I hope to get the first full scale test done this weekend.

The keywords just now are:
- Streamline: All rules have been reviewed (by me) several times and I have removed and changed rules that looked a little bit odd. All monsters are needed to fit in the same rule set but still feel different.
- Simplify: I have also cut several parts that are interesting but is not in line of the game. Things that are not included now will probably never be included. I have to cut but can not afford to take away the look and feel of the game.
- Overview: This is actually the hardest parts. To maximize the playability I have worked hard on the components, so the player's get an overview of the game. I have spent more then 20 hours with the game board (instead of the planned 10) and started all over 2 times.

// Johan

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Congratulations for everybody, but especially
for Johan! Keep up the good work.

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