What are "Factions"??? Are they UNITS per Faction or something else???

14 Soldiers (Riflemen, Grenadiers, Missile Soldiers, etc.) + 3 types of support units with a CAP of 6 mechanized support units. For a TOTAL of 20 units.

That is for the TableTop Game IMHO.

14 Soldiers + a CAP of 56 mechanized support units. For a TOTAL of 70 units.

That is for the Video Game IMHO.

More is too difficult to track and keeping things SIMPLE is easier for the players to comprehend the PHYSICAL limits (or caps) that are pre-determined for each of the types of game (TableTop and Video).

Cheers @Ramon.

You can have "Riflemen" (#1) and Grenadiers (#2) in the Front.

"Machine Gunners" (#4) and "Snipers" (#6) in Support.

And then some Vehicles like "Tanks" (#8) in Front and in Support.

So you could do something like this:

#2 (1), #1 (4), #8 (1), #1 (4), #2 (1) <= Front line

#4 (1), #8 (1), #6 (2), #8 (1), #4 (1) <= Support line

That's 17 units and comprised of FIVE (5) Tiers.

For a TableTop game... This to ME, makes sense. And you have ONE (1) Token in play which REPRESENTS the Army (that you can move around) without any worry of mixing things up. You have you Playmat and you DEFINE your ARMY. And then you have the AREA of PLAY where you MOVE that ARMY.

Something like that...

So the Rows is a standard 2D6 roll and the Columns indicate the Attribute Level.

The Attributes themselves come from the LHS of the character sheet which are the 5 STATS given the five (5) colors. In this case 6, 5, 4, 4, and 9.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND the "Green vs. Orange" in the CRT table.

Maybe @X3M can explain this.

The second table is DAMAGE and it's 0 to 9 (Columns) which is determined by the CRT table (I believe). The "WDI" stands for the Weapon Type or Type of Attack. Lower values are stronger than Higher Values

The TOP table is types of attacks in comparison with the enemy. So because this unit only has Melee and Magic Attacks then "Ranged" Row is BLACK. And further analysis shows that Melee vs. Melee = No bonus/penalty same goes for Magic vs. Magic.

This is a very CLEVER implementation of a CRT table and it assumes that the player can wield other weapons (the "WDI" value). We now have a better idea of how that all works.

So the Accuracy of the UNIT could be a value between 1 and 5. I would probably INVERT the table and make Accuracy "1" be the weakest and Accuracy "5" to be the strongest and then based on the CRT value ... You determine the DAMAGE which actually gets DEALT.

It's a bit convoluted (3 tables) ... But I'm pretty sure it WORKS and you can definitely TWEAK this for your own NEEDS. The TOP Table could be "Soldiers, Land and Air" UNITS and the STATs could be varied according to different TYPES of ATTACKS (not 100% sure...) You can share your opinion on that @X3M!

Anyways I would look at different CRT Tables. This is only ONE (1) implementation... I wish I could find the Game that uses this... But alas I searched and could find nothing! :-(

In any event it's a worthwhile topic to DISCUSS further...

Cheers all!

I was not suggesting an ACCURACY ROLL but instead an ACCURACY FACTOR. If you look at CRT Table #1 (Dungeon Quest), they use 5 CLASSES of WEAPONRY. So in this first Table, the present the 2nd results which compare Dice Rolling (2d6) with an Attribute. The RESULT is then compares in the 3rd table which simulates various forms or CLASSES of "weaponry".

So WDI = 1 is the MOST POWERFUL Weapon, while WDI = 5 is the LEAST POWERFUL weapon.

Why is this important??? The CRT Table #2 (Wiki) only deals with RATIOS and does not take into account VARYING "Tiers" of armed forces.

My thoughts are that POTENTIAL DAMAGE is determined FIRST and THEN actual DAMAGE is verified against a VALUE of the "Class of weaponry".

Why does any of this matter???

Because I think you can SQUEAK out a better CRT for the TableTop Version. What do I mean by BETTER? Well something that differentiates armed forces from one set of restrictions (think Soldiers) to another (think light vehicles, heavy vehicles) and of course not forgetting air strikes (think bombers which work on a turn basis) and air support (Jet Planes to thwart air strikes).

The air strikes could be like an AIR RAID warning...

So that gives me "5 Tiers". And would require FIVE (5) ATTRIBUTES. So that's like 75% done ... All that remains is the "WDI" or CLASSES for each attack... And that can be derived from the "5 Tiers".

But I'm STUCK! That 2nd CRT Table (Wiki) goes with RATIOS. And I can't help but wonder or think that the ratios perform BETTER when it comes to ARMIES.

So I don't know what to do to make it work.

And recognize that I am doing it for you (@X3M) for your TableTop Version. I think it could be of real value ... Since the CRT tables are cool and all... I would like to see how the TWO (2) CRTs can be merged into one...

Anyhow... I'll think some more about it. But I'm guessing you gave up on the CRT table concept since you no longer seem to be interested in it. Yet I think it would make a wonderful TableTop Game... I've seen others do it (as per the examples), so I'm guessing it is possible.

I need to ponder it more (To determined if we can FUSE these two CRT Tables together ... somehow...)?!

Cheers.

I'm still working on it. I realized that the two (2) tables I presented don't WORK like I would like them to work. I am currently looking into the matter to see how to improve them.

It's not per se MY game... But it's more or less how I would design a game such as this. It still needs some revision. When I get to the correct version, I will let you know.

But in either case, a CRT that works would be of value TBH.

So first thing you do is:

1> Roll 2D6s: roll two standard D6s.

2> Roll 2DD6s: roll two Dual Dice.

Next you compare your ROLL with the value on the Left-Hand-Side (LHS) and find the valid row.

The COLUMN is the VALUE of the "Attribute" or STAT.

Example: Say we roll a "6" and our STAT is a "4" = "6" as a POWER value.

This means that "6" is how POWERFUL the attack will be in the DAMAGE TABLE (2nd).

Next we look at the POWER Value in Table #2 (a "6") to determine the COLUMN and then figure out the approximate RATIO of the units on the LHS of table #2.

Example: Let's say it was 2 UNITS vs. 2 UNITS a RATIO of "1:1".

This means that the result would be "0/1". The ATTACKER would suffer "0" LOSSES and the DEFENDER would suffer "1" LOSS.

This means that in the end it would be 2 UNITS vs. 1 UNIT (because "1" had just been killed this round).

AE = Attacker Eliminated
DE = Defender Eliminated

The rest is self-explanatory from the example above.

Let me know if you have any questions or need more explanations.

Cheers!

Now that I've explained the STATs and how the CRT Tables work. There is still one piece of information missing and that how the STATs are derived from each unit.

Example: 5 Riflemen against 2 Tanks. Riflemen are attacking the Tanks.

STAT for Heavy Vehicles = "2" (for the Riflemen).

The Riflemen roll the dice and get a "7". Lookup in the CRT = "5" POWER.

In the 2nd Table we get a RATIO of appx. "2:1" and the result is "0/1".

This would mean that the FIVE (5) "Riflemen" would defeat ONE (1) Tank and the end result would be "5 Riflemen vs. 1 Tank".

I don't have the CRT Tables for the Tank ... So I cannot explain the counter-attack ... But know that the CRT Table #2 with the ratios needs to be fine-tuned. Even going through an example (With "9" as the POWER), the lonely tank would still lose to the Riflemen given this 2nd Table.

So more tweaking would be required to make a more SOLID DAMAGE Table for Tanks. But never-the-less it is POSSIBLE...

Best.

Example: 5 Riflemen against 2 Tanks. Riflemen are attacking the Tanks.

STAT for Heavy Vehicles = "2" (for the Riflemen)

The Riflemen roll the dice and get a "7". Lookup in the CRT = "4" POWER.

In the 2nd Table we get a RATIO of appx "2:1" and the result is "0/1".

This would mean that the FIVE (5) "Riflemen" would defeat ONE (1) Tank.

Now for the COUNTER-ATTACK of the lonely tank:

STAT for Soldiers = "8" (for the Tank)

The Tank rolls the dice and gets a "8". Lookup in the CRT = "9" POWER.

In the 2nd Table we get the RATIO of "1:5" and the result is "0/3".

This would mean that THREE (3) "Riflemen" would be defeated ONE (1) Tank.

Meaning that "2 Riflemen" would survive and the lonely Tank is still alive.

Not too bad... I had to tweak the Tank's DAMAGE table a bit... I imagine the real challenge is repeating the process with a list of diversified UNITS. And then see if the UNITS perform as desired... Is the CRT Table "OK"? Is the DMG Table "OK"? etc, etc.

I'm just saying that FOR NOW... That is enough. If anyone has ideas on how to IMPROVE upon these tables, feel free to reply and comment to share some of your ideas as to how to better the implementation of CRTs.

Maybe some suggestions or some other examples could help.

I for one ENJOYED trying to understand the "Dungeon Quest" Character Sheet. It's good for ONE vs. ONE combat where the amount of damage is like 1 or 2 HP per attack. It's not good for combat MANY vs. MANY situations and that's what I was trying to SOLVE.

Perhaps one of the key take-aways that I'm finding is that each UNIT should have a LIMIT to the POWER of an ATTACK. Meaning that the Dice Roll tables should be further tweaked to have lower values or perhaps more REPRESENTATIVE numbers.

That could go a long way in streamlining the CRTs a bit further and making combat more intense and realistic per "Tier" of UNIT.

Again if anyone is interested in discussing further, feel free to comment.

Best.