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Tue, 03/23/2004 - 13:55
Anonymous

Recently, I got a quote from a company. I wanted to get your feedback and tell me if its worth it. He quoted me $875.00 for the work. Here is his quote:

Thank you for the opportunity to bid on the design of your game packaging. This quote is based on one Game Box, two Card Templates and one Game Board. We would begin on your project by sending you a detailed questionnaire. The answers you provide will give us the information required to begin concept development. Next, a concept will be developed and presented to you. You would have the option of accepting this 'as is', or unlimited design revisions. Once a final design is approved, we will provide printer ready files with die line on CD or via our FTP site in Illustrator format. If stock photography is required, this will be quoted separately. Our Company offers one of the most experienced design teams on Elance. Please review our extensive Elance portfolio for samples of our work. Thank you for your consideration.

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Tue, 03/23/2004 - 16:49
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FastLearner
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Quote (need your advise)

Sounds quite reasonable. I probably would have bid $1,000 and allowed for two rounds of design revisions.

One thing that's not clear, though: It doesn't sound like they'll be putting the text on your cards, but rather that they'll be providing a template that you'll fill in. Do you have the appropriate software for doing that?

-- Matthew (who is also a graphic designer)

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Tue, 03/23/2004 - 18:34
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Anonymous
Quote (need your advise)

Is this a quote just to do the art for the game? If it is, it seems reasonable, though I have been working with artists who are willing to work for points. Saves me money in the beginning of the project. Are they going to provide art to be included in the rules, or will you have permission to use the art they provide in the rules (the cover of the rules maybe?) (Or are the rules in the top of the box?)

Sounds like you have a good offer though.

Just my two pence.
- Geoff

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Mon, 03/29/2004 - 09:59
#3
Anonymous
Cheap

My graphical designers would not do that for that cost.
Be sure what is included it is a bit vague.
Are they any good? Have you seen someting they have done?
Does it include or exclude VAT?

Best of luck!
Jepson

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Wed, 03/31/2004 - 11:51
#4
Anonymous
Graphic Design Quote

Hi! Well, that sounds like a pretty good price. I would definitely look into the company and take a peek at their portfolio.

I work for a company that manufactures games in China and we also do graphic design.

I am a graphic artist/project manager here and I have done a lot of design work over the years for toy and game products, it's my specialty!

If you'd like to discuss, please give me a call at 413-543-8887

Ask for John!

Here is our website:

http://www.grandprixintl.com

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Wed, 03/31/2004 - 19:13
#5
Anonymous
Re: Quote (need your advise)

iwentpp wrote:
Recently, I got a quote from a company. I wanted to get your feedback and tell me if its worth it. He quoted me $875.00 for the work.

Looking at this, I believe that I feel a bit more reseved about it than some of the other posters here. The price is certainly right, but I'm concerned about the long list of unknowns that you're facing with these folks.

iwentpp wrote:
This quote is based on one Game Box, two Card Templates and one Game Board. We would begin on your project by sending you a detailed questionnaire. The answers you provide will give us the information required to begin concept development.

I would ask to see this questionairre first. How could they possibly gather enough information from a questionairre to design your game for you? I'm sure that you have a certain look & feel in mind - I just don't see that translating to even the most detailed questionairre. IT is my experience that you need to work 1 on 1 with a designer doing concept sketches etc. and micro-managing every detail of the design process with him. For us, this is at least as time consuming as creating the game in the first place. Your mileage may vary.

iwentpp wrote:
Next, a concept will be developed and presented to you. You would have the option of accepting this 'as is', or unlimited design revisions.

Quite frankly, I don't believe them. "Unlimited design revisions" is absurd language to use in an RFP - absurd for them becasue you could essentially bog the process down (and I'm assuming delay payment) indefinitely. All the more reason to work closely with a designer rather than try to work with some kind of crazy contract graphic designer.

iwentpp wrote:
Once a final design is approved, we will provide printer ready files with die line on CD or via our FTP site in Illustrator format. If stock photography is required, this will be quoted separately.

So the way I read this, 'stock photography' isn't included in the quote. No problem there, but how are you ever going to come to an agreement on price if you use stock photos? They can run from a few cents to a couple hundred bucks (of course, benefit of the doubt, you'll probably be pulling from the low end). Again, this is fairly 'open ended' and a risk to you and to them.

Ultimately, I really don't like to work this way. I prefer to develop a relationship with a designer and work closely with them on a project. If you like, I can share a couple of names with you of folks that I know do good work and who might be willing to work with you on your project. Email me for their contact info if you're interested.

Another possibility would be to go freelance. There are plenty of freelance guys out there who jump at the opportunity to do work like this - you're exposed a little in that they might fall off the planet or 'give up' on your project taking any down payment with them, but I'm not so sure that you are much better protected with elance to be honest. It isn't likely that you have the disposition or means to sue them if things don't go your way assuming that this is your first forray into publishing.

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Wed, 03/31/2004 - 21:34
#6
Anonymous
Re: Quote (need your advise)

The bottom line here, IMO, is find a designer who specializes in doing games. It is a big risk to go with a guy who is doing display ads for a Supermarket one day and doing your game the next.

There is a lot of thought that goes into designing packaging and artwork for a board game. Does the packaging tell the correct story? Does your packaging pass the 3 second rule? (You have basically 3 seconds to connect with the consumer, if they don't get it by then, you've lost them!)

Anyway, if you're gonna do it, do it right! $875.00 is a great price for design work. Just make sure you check out that portfolio!

Oh, and the way they want to handle the transaction sounds on the up and up. I don't see any red flags in their quote.

If you wanna talk about it, feel free to call me.

Here is a game I did the artwork for and we manufactured:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000C9WGJ/qid=1080782832/...

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