Can this rule still be used?

And your own units too.

Henceforth the removal. But I was wondering if anyone saw any use to it. It is only 1 rule. And frankly, due to the benefits it used to have, it costed 2 Action Points (AP) instead of 1 AP.

We also got 1 Event Card doing this.

I discovered that cutting in the hobby game also slowly directs me to a game that one day might become public.
I re-organised my AP list. Player in turn went from 11 to 10 options. The total options described went down from 26 to 19.
Not sure yet if I should do it that way. Perhaps keeping them in the old configuration makes it simpler for the players to search and choose.

A list of options for each player? (Player in turn, Targetted player, Other player(s) ) And then add the 19 explanations.

OR

A list of options including the explanations. Creating double explanations. There is even one tripple option.

I am also thinking of starting from scratch. And explain parts that return in multiple choices.
Movement and Attack separately. Then as third, that the combination of the 2 will create penalties.

If a medic is out of reach. If the tanks are far from the repair bay.
Retreating was an option.

But if the enemy could kill and gain XP for it. Why not shoot your own in the back to keep the XP for oneself.

Obviously units at full health, would not be shot.
And walls would make great target practise. The XP couldn't be bought otherwise.

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That was a very old reason.
But when XP was removed from the game.
So was the reason.
You wouldn't need to save the XP.
Nor would one have a need for training.

Dissasembling is a good replacement.
Without the roll would be great.
If another squad does this.
It can be put back into the game.

As an Action done by anything that has the knowledge. The cost could remain 2 AP.
The RPS would help, but I think that the "weapon costs" should be used for a one on one trade.
That way, production facilities, etc. Are allowed to do this.

I need to re-check what the refunds where when production was canceled or stopped. I believe it was 60 percent and 40 percent. Maybe dissasembling can return 40 or 20 percent. What do you guys think?

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I like that idea.
Are there other idea's, regarding removing your own?

Looting

I have created the Action Looting.
It costs 2 AP and can only be used in combination with an Action that contains an attack.
It will occur after the attack, but has to be announced before the dice roll.
I coppied sections of other actions. And compiled the correct order. It made me change my drive-by shooting a bit. For better understanding.

The squad that does the looting has to complete the entire action. It cannot stop its movement. And it has to divide its movement points in half to determine if they can reach the target location. If intercepted, perhaps only a smaller portion gets through.
The looting squad value that fits in location, and the value of the fallen victims are compared. The lowest value will be the looting value.

Safe to say that if only 100 out of 6000 is free. Only 100 can enter that location. And 100 can be looted. If there is room of 3000 while 100 has fallen victim, only 100 is looted. And if 3000 is the room again, but the looting squad itself is 100, then again only 100 can be looted while the other 2900 is lost.

All 3 categories of players can make use of looting since all 3 categories of players can do a form of attack during their round.

Destruction cancelation is 40% of the value.
Cancelation by other means is 60% of the value.
So for looting I will use the 40% of the value: If you manage to destroy 6000 at once, you can get 2400 in value as looter. This makes the total difference between players 140%. In the long run, a player with efficient looting can be twice as strong (other math included).

Thank you for this (indirect) idea @QuestCCG

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Disassemble

...Under construction...

Disassemble is more of a cancelation instead of destruction, thus 60% of the value is returned.

I don't know if I should do this within movement range or attack range. Movement range sounds better.
All I know is that I also want to give buildings this capability (there is personal working there).
Maybe both sides may move towards each other and meet halfway?
During this action, one of the 2 sides may be shot. Or I should include a rule that if either side is shot, the disassemble is canceled and only 1 AP is deducted from the disassembler.

But this would also mean that only those who have a movement of 2 or more are able to disassemble or being disassembled. If it is 1 or less for both parties. It would mean that both parties need to be in the same location.

When I look at RTS games:
C&C:
- Vehicles and infantry could be sold by standing right next to the walls.
- Vehicles could be sold by standing on the repair bay.
- Structures could be sold directly.
Warzone2100:
- Vehicles and Cyborg could be recycled by moving back into any production facility.
- Structures could be recycled by ordering a Truck to disassemble the structure.

I honestly only know about these 2 games that do the selling stuff.
Battlezone II is another one, but memories don't serve me well enough in this regard. Maybe it was only the "looting" in that game.

Oof, I totaly forgot about this "abuse".

So whatever I think about, it would be "a helping hand". "Assisted suicide", stuff like that.

I have been thinking about the RTS examples.
Sending the units in question to the origin is an option. And the range of the production facilities can help in this. So the only action they need to take is move into range. This would also help in recycling structures in range of the big guy.

So in short:
That what can produce it, can remove it by the same rules. It will be both production and removal in the same round. Where removal is Obvious part of resource managment. So I give it a place, just prior to production placement. It will not be an action that costs AP. But a basic phase in the game.

While production has an announcement. So should the removal be. And both will have their completion at the end of the round.

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Partly self sacrifice (proposed by QuestCCG)
YES! This can be a thing. I will add this to the list of weapon adjustments.
It really will be sacrificing health which will be a 1 time projectile.
1 health with a movement of 7 would for example yield 2 damage at a range of 2. Stuff like that :)

The good part of this is that I also have 0 health suicide units (Scarab of the Reaver, Starcraft). These will have a 4 times higher damage than their costs but live only 1 round. The same can be done with the last health is being used for extra damage.

A true suicidal unit has even 5 times more damage than a normal weapon.
4 damage and +1 damage that equals the last 1/3th of the health.
If this complete suicide is added as weapon while there is another weapon. We speak of a choice. But the choice is a 100% addition.
The partly suicide effect would be something extra. But how to differentiate between the 3?
We got: Normal, partly suicide, complete suicide.
I need to ponder on this.

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Summary:

Looting replaces Execute.
Where not your own or allies are killed. But the enemy is killed and a second group rushes in to get resources from the corpses (that lie rotting in the setting sun)
Return rate is 40%

Disassembling is added to the main phases of a round.
The disassembly is right before the production placement.
Production capabilities is sacrificed for this.
Return rate is 60%

Partly suicidal behavior is added.
But I need to flesh this out.

Due to logistics in the game. I placed the disassembling part within the placement part of the manual.
It is only 3 short rules added.
It fits like a cat in a box. :)

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I guess, only the costs calculations of "stim packs" needs to be fine tuned. It also made me realize that "suicide" would be 4* the damage. Plus 1/3th of the health.
It used to be 3* the damage. Plus 1/3th of the health resulting in 4* the damage.

It is kinda neat that the math is telling me that 5 1/3 damage is better balanced than 4 damage for suicide units :D

To avoid 5 1/3 damage. Giving these units a bit higher body costs will do well.

A normal body would be a weight of 50, 5 health, and indirectly 3 health. Adding 16.7 weight to the damage for suicide. 50 weigth on a suicide weapon is 4 damage.
So 1/3th of 4 is 1 1/3.
I cannot increase the costs of the suicide weapon to increase the costs of the addition. But I can accomidate this with tricks.

If a suicide weapon costs 60 instead of 50. The damage would be 4 2/3. Adding that 1 1/3 would result in 6 damage in the game. Which is a nice round figure.

If a body costs 75 instead of 50. The damage added would be 2. Which again results in 6 damage.

Now we have 2 options:
A cost of 110. Or a cost of 125 where the unit is slightly more durable or faster.

Would it be an option to have resources for pick up.
Appear, where units got defeated?

Would it add to downtime by A LOT?
Should the resources act as obstacles?
What should the new value be?

Some missions in the campaign don't have resources.

This time we want to do something similar as in battlezone. Or like in C&C Generals.

A tank gets defeated. Some metal is left behind for recycling.
A soldier gets blown up. And indeed, a rifle might be left behind...for recycling.

Either way. Other ways of resource managment have been simplified. And the idea of recycling was discarded at a certain point.

Also, when XP returned. We thought that getting resources from defeated units would be overkill....and we also still have the looting as well.

But XP is saved up. And all units are automatically upgraded, once a certain threshold is reached. We copied this from C&C Generals. It is the most simple and fair way to do things.

And looting needs fast units and is limited to the units used. It can only be done right after a combat resolution.

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Things that we are going to test (so it might be discarded):
- Looting will still be used in combination with other aspects.
- Resources are placed, where the units/structures got destroyed.
- Resources are considered to be "walls". Thus can be in the way of movement or projectiles.
- Resources can be destroyed as well (if we also allow the destruction of other objects)
- Resources can only be picked up by harvesters.
- Resources have to be brought back to a refinery.

Personally. I think we can go for keeping the looting mechanic. And the resources that are left behind will not be in the way of any player. Nor will they block anything. But are much less than with looting. The resources are not or partly placed if looting took place. The only way to gather them is by an independable harvester. Meaning, this unit can proces on the spot. Thus no bringing back either. This will keep the tedious tasks fair and at a minimum.

But maybe, someone has better idea's. Or thinks a certain combo works best.