Changing the "bonus damage rules"

Now, where to put the doubling of a projectile?
Maybe at the start by counting the nominated ones?
Maybe at the end, can still be done by counting the nominated ones?

At least you brought up the 1, 2 and 4 in healths.

By the way, have you seen the video?

It goes like that, and indeed 1 or 2 dice are needed to make a kill.

By the way, having damage dealt to all units in the same way. That doesn't feel right. We rather remove targets completely. And have only one guy take the last remaining damage.

We already use it for years.
It is very fast.
And has the colours for type purposes.

Forces are often mixed.
And will shoot back.

All I am wondering about now is.
What threshold should I apply to having a die double in effect?

Fire bonus, piercing bonus and concussion bonus have their own mechanics in the game.

Fire and piercing belong to the same damage adjustment family. Which is a simple adjustment to the damage dice. This is a simple +1 (+50% or +60%) or -1 (-40%), depending on the target. And has no influence from problems like, what if a next target is to be hit?
A +10 damage on such a die is possible, but less efficient in normal cases. The "roll equals 5 damage" is more common used. I can't stack other effects on these.

The concussion belongs in the explosions family. These dice may be re-rolled if the first roll hits, just like the bonus dice. Just to see how much damage they can do. But their effect is always present.
To keep this logistic, the re-roll dice will be re-rolled once the first set has been concluded. This effect affects multiple targets.
This is a luck based part of the game.
This mechanic can increase the damage adjustment. By simply adding more dice (read more expensive, so less dice to begin with).

The "bonus" dice should be applied when a target has a certain bigger size. Believe me, if I say that this was a very complex mechanic 2 years ago. But now, I want it to be a simpler comparison. A "this is it" mechanic.
The addition of dice would be the same as the explosion types. But only if a certain situation is met.

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Writing the rules is particular hard for me. Because I am stopped, literally stopped, every 5 minutes. And it is the rules that need some re-reading. To make the rules better. I didn't pick this up any more since a year or so. We do it by memory. But as mentioned before, when finally getting an hour or 2. I spend it on my other hobby.

(Even now as I am writing this. I have been interrupted multiple times. I am at home too!)

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Here goes again:
"When is an enemy piece, considered to be large enough, for a weapon to do extra damage?"

While not miniatures. Some players do have their own pieces to play with.
The 3D printer ain't that great though. In fact, it is very bad. We returned to cardboard pieces.

So far, I just knew that no one would response to the "old" way. That it is ridiculous. Hahahaha.
That is why I didn't post it before.

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Either way.
I ponder if I really should use weapon versus body.
Or that I should compare overall sizes instead.

But if I use an overall size, how would pistols outrank a grenade?

So, I think that going for weapon versus body is the way to go. Units with a massive array of projectiles will not get the bonus at all.

Now then, for the factors.
I am going to roughly apply a square root of 2 addition.

Which means +50% when the target has a body, at least twice that of the weapon.

What I am unsure about is, should I creep upon this mechanic?
If the target body has 4 times the size. 2 weapons get this bonus.
If the target body has 8 times the size. 3 weapons get this bonus.

The more and more I think about it. I am starting to feel that I should not add more dice. But have the initial damage being altered any way.

If I allow only 1 weapon for each target to get the bonus. I could actually allow 1 pistol to get that +600%. Right?
Just asking.

So...

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Each target can get one bonus damage against it.
If the targets body weight is at least 2 times that of the weapons weight: A +1 modifier is applied despite the damage output of that weapon.
However, there should be damage output.
This is done after the accuracy rolls. So chances of this happening is almost 100% certain.

No difficult check.
No extra rolls.

Logistics for the player?
If there are damages done. The target has often a multiplier of 5 times that of 1 damage.
The damages for normal weapons can be 1, 2, 3 or 4.
If a 4 is rolled, this would simply be a 5. And the target is done for.

If a roll would be like 1, 2, 2. Then the +1 goes to a 2. So that a combination of 5 can be made again. If the player would put it on the 1 instead. There would be 1 overkill, thus a lost damage.

Now, when a die has 1,1,1,1,1,1 as sides (no roll needed) This die weight is only 60%. But will double effectively. A higher chance of being chosen. But then again, in combination with 2 rolls of 2. This die will not be chosen. Perhaps it is only the 60% die that could get the bonus. In other words, lost damage in this example.

The most extreme case would be the 10% weight die.
Having 0,0,0,0,0,1 as output. It really needs to roll that 1. But the chance is 1/6th for that. Thus the bonus of +100% is effectively only +16.7% on average.

I am going to toy around a bit with these super simplified rules. Let me know, what you think.
I am unsure on how to put this in understandable rules for the simpler people :)

Simply consider this:

That choice is free. As long as they don't take cover behind a front line.

Say, the front line has a rifleman and a tank.
The bazooka attacker will automatically aim for the tank.
The sniper will automatically aim for the rifleman.

The big difference is, when the rifleman hides behind the tank.

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Now then. There are some situations.
Where a weaker weapon might be better.

We have the following weapons:
Size 4, damage factor 16, 1.5 multiplier
Size 5, damage factor 25, 1.2 multiplier
Size 6, damage factor 36, 1.0 multiplier

Target is not too big (size 6 and 7)?
Size 4, damage factor 40
Size 5, damage factor 50
Size 6, damage factor 60

Tank body size is 8 or 9? Weapons average damage:
Size 4, damage factor 56
Size 5, damage factor 50
Size 6, damage factor 60

Tank body size is 10 or 11? Weapons average damage:
Size 4, damage factor 56
Size 5, damage factor 70
Size 6, damage factor 60

Tank body size is 12 or more? Weapons average damage:
Size 4, damage factor 56
Size 5, damage factor 70
Size 6, damage factor 84

In a sense. Vehicles are of more use again.
Of course, infantry are the best choice against those heavy weapons.

Applying just 1 penalty to all projectiles of the bigger army works wonders for an all out infantry army versus an all out tank army.

The surviving tanks had like 3% health remaining. And 3 out of 6 tanks perished.

Where a normal one sided fire would take 18 rounds. The better the balance, the more rounds you need.
32 rounds!!!

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So far, I still need to find ways to abuse this.
So far, it was hard math. Not with a simulator.
Going to ask my cousin for both issue's to resolve :)
If it passes him, it will be good.

Another good thing is. A bazooka guy against a tank. Has not only the emergines of 22% more health. But another extra factor of +20% on top. Thus a total of +46% durability.
this is an awesome ability, no matter how you look at it.
Support units have gotten more durable.

Also, there is no need for a body and weapon to compare. Just the total amount, which is also used for other bonusses like +1 range.

So far, I feel happy.

Now that I included sorting for my damage dice.
I noticed that the durability of infantry are not 4.4 health, but only 3.9 health. The given situation 2 posts prior is different if I recalculate. Worse for the losing side, if you will.

So here is a new question. Should I creep upon this bonus rule now? Or better said, have multiple penalties, as the difference grows bigger?

How to do this?

For now, I have 1 penalty for the bigger army, when 1 army is smaller.

Should I do multiple penalties?
How to do this best?
Having players calculate big/small?
Or an absolute difference, then having every 6 CP a penalty?

Just keep in mind. The penalty means that the losing side actually lives longer.

I need to make a choice.

Penalty or Boost or Both.

After the choice. The severity of the effect needs to be determined.

Although, determining this prior will speed up testing.

I love gradient progress. But this isn't practical.
Using a doubling for each level sounds the simplest so far. Players can't see of an army is 1/6th of the opponent. But they DO can see if it is between 1/4th and 1/8th.

I already trialled having "Both". Against a super unit. The exponential effect of having 1 level for each doubling is slightly too weak.

So, I think I need to have only the penalty. But have it be 2 penalties each level.
Instead of 6 penalties and 6 boosts, it would be 12 penalties, at the end.
The last unit effectivness, while slower game progress. Would increase from 600% to 890%.
I need to test this.

I did not have much time lately.
But did some thinking about using only penalty rolls.

In a sense. I should try to copy the old bonus rules for a bit. But then in a simple orderly fashion.

The old bonus rules kept the damage as high as possible. As if units weren't missing at all. In a sense, the damage was doubled. And when you divide a squared number by its triangular number. You get close to 2 as well.

The original bonus rule was only 2 steps. Perhaps this is better to keep things simple for the players.

9/6, 16/10, 25/15, 100/55, 10000/5050 etc.

The most important one for the hobby game:
1296/666=1.95
If I where to apply the same to the "public" version:
36/21=1.71

This means that if I keep the current penalty. The weaker force will still loose by a noticeable margin.
If I double the penalty effect. Then the 2 steps would contain 4/6th and 3/6th. Which represents the 150 and 200% of the original bonus damage. But the game is slowed down instead of speeded up.

The public game would have:
6 + 1.5*(5+4+3) + 2*(2+1) = 30 as score.
This is still a short coming.
36/30=1.2 where the goal is 1 or slightly less.

The hobby game would have:
1296/1057.5=1.23
But I have good news for that one.
Infantry have a hidden durability of 3.662/3=1.221
Thus the total factor would now be 1.004
A difference of 0.4% is a huge deal!!!

Now, what should I do for the "public" game?