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Can somebody please tell me what publishers do? And why do we need them?

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What publishers do.1. Final

What publishers do.

1. Final development of the game including, rules tweaks, editing, layout and art.
2. Arrange & pay for the production.
3. Warehouse or arrange for fulfillment services.
4. Sales & marketing including trade shows.

Why do we need them? Some people that are willing to do all of the above don’t. All those things are very time consuming. If you are busy doing business you’re not going to have as much time to design games. I would rather have a publisher figure out the details so I can get on to my next great idea.

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Thanks Dralius

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Dralius wrote:What publishers

Dralius wrote:
What publishers do.

1. Final development of the game including, rules tweaks, editing, layout and art.
2. Arrange & pay for the production.
3. Warehouse or arrange for fulfillment services.
4. Sales & marketing including trade shows.

Why do we need them? Some people that are willing to do all of the above don’t. All those things are very time consuming. If you are busy doing business you’re not going to have as much time to design games. I would rather have a publisher figure out the details so I can get on to my next great idea.


Also, and most importantly, buyers will also know that with a non-self-published game, the "experts" (the ones who cater for the general public/mass markets) has had their touch on the game, and therefore the odds of the buyer actually liking the game after they try it, is higher than that of a self-published game.

Broader appeal also means that the buyer will have less difficulty to convince others to play the game. The more money spent on polish, the shinier the game, the more general appeal, sales etc. Take something out of the equation, and you'll have to make amature-ish alternatives. I you want success, you cannot make compromises.

Publishers are also developers, marketing, outreach, experience etc. etc. You could go without, but you'd absolutely be starting from scratch.

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Now that I know a little more of what publishers do.
1: Arrange and pay for production
2: Make sure the best professional job has been achieved before production
3: Possible marketing drive and management of marketing and sales

These are all important but how much control does the original game inventor relinquish?
And is the loss of control permanent due to the contract which has been negotiated?

I suppose if the game is successful the publisher would not be willing to exit the contract unless a fee was paid. Or do they acquire full control and the game's inventor settles for a royalty?

Answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated.

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BGdevok99 wrote:These are all

BGdevok99 wrote:
These are all important but how much control does the original game inventor relinquish?
And is the loss of control permanent due to the contract which has been negotiated?

I suppose if the game is successful the publisher would not be willing to exit the contract unless a fee was paid. Or do they acquire full control and the game's inventor settles for a royalty?

Unless you’re a famous designer that can be expected to drive sales based simple on your name you’ll probably have little to negotiate with and either have to accept their standard contract or not.

This also means you will relinquish all control of the property for the length of the contact in return for your %.

That being said every publisher is different. Minion games asked for my input on every aspect of Nitro Dice & Tahiti. Not that I had the final say, I was giving then opportunity to voice my opinion which is more than some publishers will do.

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Dralius thanks for your comments/input

The more I learn about publishers the less I like them.

If one was to think ambitiously and confidently enough and had faith in his/her creation one would consider self publishing.
If the game is manufactured to a satisfactory level minus the trimmings and polish and the game becomes a success, version 2 of the game could then be produced investing more money for more trimmings and polish.
This being the case version 1 of the game would then in the long scheme of things become rare and collectable. Bit like the first printing of a famous book.

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Role of publishers

I think that because publishers are businesses and have profitability to consider, they could seem "evil" to some. This could be the case if a designer is so heavily (emotionally) invested in the game he/she has designed, that he doesn't like the idea of someone else tinkering with it or "reaping the fruits".

However, in order to create a polished end product, you need many persons with different talents (or you must be some kind of multi-talented renaissance-style genius). Moreover, if you wish to sell your product, you need yet another kind of skills and even more time. Publishers have economic possibility to pay for artists, marketing and other things that your average designer isn't necessarily particularly good at.

I'm not saying that you can't develop professional-looking game without publishers, but this usually means investing your own money = taking risks, or somehow having multiple talents working for free. I also don't mean that every game must be produced with high costs to justify it's existence, or that self-published games can't be polished and professional.

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Thanks PenteVPM for your comments

I wonder if publishers have posted somewhere on line details of a regular contract (minus personal stuff) that a game inventor that is new to this industry would be able to view?

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I don’t know of any publisher

I don’t know of any publisher that puts their contracts online. Even if they did that would only cover that one publisher.

When I got started I was under the impression that the industry had a standard type of contract. From my experience this is only half true. The standard seems to be you get a % which varies greatly depending on what is a % of; Gross, Net, Profits and the volume of production for a fixed amount of time 2-5 years with other details such as advances, contingencies, and other compensation including how many copies of the game you’ll get varying widely. Most pay you quarterly based on sales but there are some that pay you your cut on the entire print run once brought to market to save themselves the bookkeeping.

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I mentioned "contract" in my last post, perhaps I should have used "information"
Promotional literature for attracting game's inventors to them. I mean if they are a business do they advertise?

I suppose some publishers have their own in-house inventors and perhaps want give outsiders the impression that they do not look for outside business but they will take on a foreign job only because they want to provide this person with an opportunity.

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